4: Where's Home Really... for Evelyn Mok?

Jimi Famurewa  
Welcome to Where's Home Really? with me, Jimi Famurewa, a podcast that gets under the skin of well known names that we think we know. We'll explore their different cultures and heritage to discover what home really means to them, and how they find that feeling of belonging. Every week, I'll be asking my guests to reveal four key elements that helped define for them. That unique sense of hope, with a range of fun, fascinating, and sometimes moving results. Those four elements are a person, a place, a phrase, and the plate. So for me, it's not technically a plate, but one would be a specific drink, and it's called Supermalt. It's really, really such an encapsulation of my youth. My childhood, it's this kind of sweet malty biscuity drink that you drink kind of ice cold. That was just the taste of parties, of celebrations. But what would those elements be for today's special guest?

Evelyn Mok  
I fell in love with Wetherspoons when I discovered steak club, and I even took my parents when they came visiting and I kid you not Jimi? They loved it so much that my dad tried to steal one of the menus and he tried to put it in my mom's purse so he could take it back and show his friends.

Jimi Famurewa  
Today's guest is a stand up comedian, a writer and actor. You may know her from TV shows like Mock the Week or on the big screen acting in films, such as Marvel's all-star Spider Man: Far From Home, born in Sweden to Chinese parents, she is a self confessed anglophile who apparently loves Greggs and Weatherspoons. But we're gonna find out if that is absolutely true. And she now spends much of her time living and working in the UK. I'm really, really happy to have her here. Evelyn Mok, welcome.

Evelyn Mok  
Hi, Jimi.

Jimi Famurewa  
That was my grand intro.

Evelyn Mok  
I liked it. I really liked the fact that you got Wetherspoons and Greggs, nobody's ever been able to identify that.

Jimi Famurewa  
Is it true? Because we will lift the lid on that.

Evelyn Mok  
Definitely Wetherspoons I have a few stories about Wetherspoons. One of which is how I got gout for the first time.

Jimi Famurewa  
Yeah, what a teaser. I can't wait to find out the rest of that story. Where are you right now it's good to kind of situate our guests and where we're speaking to each other from particularly when we're thinking about place.

Evelyn Mok  
I'm in my hometown. I call it my hometown but...

Jimi Famurewa  
Interesting, isn't it? Because we're straight into it there. It's kind of that feeling of when you say your hometown, but you have to qualify and so many of us have this strange relationship with that, that question of where's home really? I think especially for you that must be a very complex and multifaceted thing, right?

Evelyn Mok  
It is. I was thinking about this the other day, because I'm born and raised in Sweden. I was born in a place called Mariestad which is just a few hours away from Gothenburg, but both of my parents, my dad migrated to Sweden from Hong Kong in the 70s. And my mom, she migrated from Mumbai, India. My mom is originally from Hubei, which is the same region which Wuhan is in. But she's from a different city. I know that there's been a lot of attention for Wuhan. But honestly, it just put us on the map. If I'm honest. Now, I just have to say that and people are like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. I know where.

Jimi Famurewa  
Yeah, like kind of like a strange way which again, I want to dig into a strange way for people to gain knowledge of your roots or where you come from, and I imagine quite a thorny, difficult thing in some ways, but yeah, yeah. Mainland China as well. So is there an overriding one that you feel has defined you like in terms of those different cultures because I'm fascinated by your mum's relationship to Indian culture, and you speak some Hindi as well, don't you?

Evelyn Mok  
I understand Hindi. So I know a phrase which means I understand Hindi, but I don't speak it.

Jimi Famurewa  
Oh, that's brilliant. You can say that phrase like with like real proficiency and skill. Like, okay, this conversation is over.

Evelyn Mok  
Yeah, exactly. Let's switch over to language we both kind of master, you know, like when you grow up as a diasporic kid. So you have one culture at home. And I, in that case, kind of had three, which were, which was like the Hong Kong culture, and then the Indian culture, and then my mom's the Hubei culture, which differs a bit from the Hong Kong culture, but it's still Chinese. Yeah. And then you have the Swedish culture, which we which I grew up with, as well. But then I also grew up in a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood, right. And so it was just like, we were a bunch of kids from all over the world there, especially during the 90s, with a lot of like, that's where the big refugee immigration happened in Sweden. So we had people from like Somalia, from Iraq, from South America, from Ethiopia, Eritrea. And so all of these kids would we would mix, and then we would form kind of our own immigrant kid culture.

Jimi Famurewa  
Yeah, that's amazing. I love that.

Evelyn Mok  
And I think that was heavily influenced by American TV shows, Fresh Prince was a big one. So I think like Will Smith really heavily influenced a lot of kids in the 90s in Sweden.

Jimi Famurewa  
There was definitely a thing among like young West African heritage kids in the UK, especially of looking to American culture, especially in the 90s there was a stigma attached to a lot of kind of like West African culture and African culture. And so as I found throughout the course of reporting for my book, like so many people were effectively like in the closet as Africans and either pretended to be Caribbean or American and really, because I had and I still have like, family in the US, I really looked to it as well. And things like the Fresh Prince were so kind of formative and defining and I had this real sense of, oh, no, like, that's where I want to be. And I've never really thought about the fact that that was probably linked to this idea that you talk about of slightly misfit immigrant kids kind of banding together and looking somewhere else, which was, which was what you saw on the TV and what was cool and interesting and, and had a kind of culture that was quite alluring at that time.

Evelyn Mok  
Yeah. And it was like, it was the only representation I think of a minority culture that was that was sort of finding their their stride and their pride as well. I think and it was just like, because they were, he was dealing with the same issues or similar issues of otherness, of being like, you know, a kid from Philly growing up in Bel Air and, and then you have Carlton that you recognise you're like, okay, yeah. You're the friend here, who's trying to fit in and stuff.

Jimi Famurewa  
Yeah, I've got to say, like, throughout life as well, like Carlton has been such a useful shorthand, and obviously, like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, that there were people of the same race, but have different classes and different characters, things like that. And that was so huge. And I know that, from your point of view, you've carried it into your comedy, that you've really sort of embraced these different labels and these different meanings of where home might be and different identities and you've kind of played with them in a really interesting way. You know, is it Scandinavian? That is the culture that you knew minted for yourself? Were there any other Scandinavians? Or was it kind of quite a lonely kind of upbringing in that sense that you didn't really see yourself reflected in the way that a lot of people do.

Evelyn Mok  
It's interesting because best friends we met when we were like four or five, and we're still friends now. And I remember, my dad dropped me off. He signed me up for the first day of like, kindergarten, yeah. And I just remember two tiny little Chinese girls in the corner looking at me and pointing at me. I was like, Okay, we're gonna be friends. So, I was lucky in the sense that I met my two best friends when we were that little, I was quite lucky in that way. But then there was always this kind of sense of there was this otherness. Because even though we had our little clique, we knew that we didn't necessarily fit into the larger context of what Sweden was. So there always was that thing of, of knowing that you stand out. And then as you say, kind of having our Chinese culture is something that we talk with each other about, and talk about it at home, and that's where that is, but then when we get out into kind of Swedish society, we're like, okay, we don't need to talk about that here in some strange way.

Jimi Famurewa  
I want to start with your person then who for you best evokes and encapsulates that feeling. Can you kind of nail it down to one person? Is it Carlton Banks?

Evelyn Mok  
Exactly. I have two sort of. One, it's my grandma. My mom's mom. She's quite an impressive woman, or was, it was my great grandparents that did the migration from China to India. And apparently, the person who became my grandfather, his family, apparently walked. So they walked from the middle of China to the north of India. And apparently, they were like, it was kind of like a caravan travelling group. And so they made it a mission to walk but they would stop over stay for like a month. Apparently my great grandfather was a martial artist. So he would do shows. And try to get money that way.

Jimi Famurewa  
I'm straight away thinking. Anytime that you kind of complained or misbehaved. The notion that your ancestors literally walked from China all the way to presumably a better life in India, you were just bang to rights you were just finished. Right? That's there's no way around that level of be grateful. So let's pick up on your grandmother. What is it about her specifically, that means that she is the kind of embodiment of this idea of home?

Evelyn Mok  
It's a bit of a sad story. And I know that she sort of had it in her heart, I think for ages, but because she was the eldest and she was a girl, she basically had to take care of her siblings, her younger siblings, while her parents went out and did work, whatever work they could do. So she didn't go to school. But she took care of her younger siblings. So her younger siblings went on to become dentists. And they then trained her to become like a dental hygienist, but also kind of a dentist. So she would pull teeth out of people's mouths without any training, but kind of training. And so it was just this incredible thing. And she was such a tough lady because she she just raised eight kids being like a half semi backstreet dentist. And then she came to Sweden, and she would do these like things where, because she was such a sweet old lady. So when you looked at her, she was the happiest and the kindest person I know. Like she she's been through so much hardship. But she was still the kindest person.

Jimi Famurewa  
Amazing. What did you call her? What was her name?

Evelyn Mok  
We called her Paw Paw, or Powo in Hubei dialect. So that's a grandmother for her. It's the name for the maternal grandmother. Because in Chinese, we have like, separate names. She'd do these things where once I remember, we were in the queue at a supermarket. And the queue for the cashier was so long. And she had like a walker at that point. So she was like, follow me. So I just followed her and she just kind of rolled up to the person who was closest in line to the cashier, and just kind of like, looked at her with sad eyes, and just kind of was without words, kind of asking if she could cut. And the person was like, Yeah, of course, cut, cut. And I was like, wow,

Jimi Famurewa  
Wow, like a magic power. It seems to me like it's almost like she had a sense of how people saw her and how the world viewed her and to sort of work it to her advantage. Definitely. I'm wondering what kind of impact did she have on you? And what is it that you kind of took from what she'd been through? The way she carried herself that you remember kind of thinking of her and the way that she did things?

Evelyn Mok  
Oh, definitely how people see you? Definitely, I think probably, and it's gonna sound very corny. She had such a hard life. And she came from essentially nothing. But she was always so kind. And she was always like she was smiling throughout. Most of us probably have experienced similar things where we talk to our grandparents or old elder family members, when they remember their life. She's still carried the pain of not being able to go to school. So when she came to Sweden, you get to go to Swedish For Immigrants, which is a class where they teach you Swedish and so she went there and I remember finding her schoolbooks. It was basically her learning the alphabet and writing and I remember being so moved by that because she'd finally been able to sort of get an education. Yeah, sort of learn how to read and write because she she didn't know how to for the most of her life, but I think what I took with me from that, her marriage was abusive as well. But then she took herself out of that. But through that all, she was still strong enough to be kind to a world that was so full of hardship for her. She got a bigger share of hardship than most people. But she still kind of faced it with grace. I think so I think that's what I take.

Jimi Famurewa  
Was it that you spent a lot of time with your grandmother? Because I know that the family they were in the restaurant business, right, your mom and dad, is that right? Was it both of them?

Evelyn Mok  
Yeah, basically a latchkey kid, but I was looked after by my grandparents. Yeah. And they put me in front of a TV.

Jimi Famurewa  
Hence the Fresh Prince.

Evelyn Mok  
Hence the accent.

Jimi Famurewa  
Welcome back. I'm Jimi Famurewa. You're listening to Where's Home Really? And my guest is comic and actor Evelyn Mok. We need to talk about what your plates would be. Your food that is specifically a resonant of this idea of home and kind of represents a new form of home that you found in adulthood. What is the dish that you're gonna go for?

Evelyn Mok  
Something that's very reminiscent of my childhood, because I've been away for such a long time. So my mom, now that I'm actually in Sweden a bit more, my mom tends to make this for me, because that's how Asian parents show love. I think maybe a lot of immigrant parents, they show it through food, and they show it through like making your favourite dishes. So there's like this Chinese dish called pearl meatballs. And so they are meatballs. I think it's maybe pork mince. And then you have you can put whatever you want in them, my mom tends to put water chestnuts and a little bit of garlic and some other spices. And then you you roll it in sticky rice. And then you steam it. And so when it's steamed, like the juices from the pork just kind of covers the sticky rice, and it gets all like gooey and, and just like really nice and juicy.

Jimi Famurewa  
So when would that dish when would that be made? You know, as a treat for you if you'd had a tough time? Like what kind of memories that are attached to that specific dish which sounds incredible. And I've never, you know, I've never come across it as well. I don't think.

Evelyn Mok  
It is a bit more unusual in the restaurants I think because it is quite a home dish. It's usually you have it during Chinese New Year. Which is really nice. I think my mom would make it for my birthday. Definitely. And during like different sort of like, either Chinese holidays or special times. Yeah. So it would be it would be a treat, because it would be that thing of like, oh my god, this is my favourite thing to have. I know that she only makes it during special times. So whenever she would make it, it would be like, Okay, I'm going to try and eat as much as I can. Of this one thing. And I quite like the fact that because then it's it's so symbolic of as you say, it's that nostalgia that comes in and that kind of comfort. It's almost like a hug, that you kind of get.

Jimi Famurewa  
Was there understanding about the layerdness of your kind of heritage and identity that there were these different forces at play? And maybe you didn't see yourself represented and you kind of felt a little bit on the periphery of things in Sweden? Did they kind of get that? Or did they not really have time to understand that?

Evelyn Mok  
I think they went through similar things, but we never talked about it. It's such an interesting thing, because especially talking about it now, because definitely what they couldn't give in time, they would try to give through food. So the meal, the dinner table became so important, because that would be the few times where we would actually be able to be together as a family. And I think it's interesting that you asked that because my parents are retired now. And now they're starting to tell me a lot of stories about how it was to work at a Chinese restaurant during the 70s or 80s or 90s in Sweden. And they were telling me about like when they first came to Sweden, how people would taunt them for their accents. How working in a restaurant would be really tough because sometimes people would come in and eat and they would leave without paying.

Jimi Famurewa  
Wow, oh my God.

Evelyn Mok  
They were starting to tell me all of these things. And I'm like, I was wondering why they never told me before, but I realised that because they, they just needed to get through it. And these experiences are probably too difficult to reflect upon while you're going through them. Because then it means that either you'll want to change your situation. Yeah. Or, you know, you'll have to accept that this is the situation. And you just need to get through it. So yeah, I think that that was a big realisation for me because now we I presume you as well, we have the luxury of being able to, to discuss this openly with people.

Jimi Famurewa  
You obviously have very open about this stuff. And you kind of play with people's perceptions in such a amazing way like tweaking those audience expectations, the fact that your identity as it were, or what home means to you kind of confound so many people did that come naturally, were you always somebody who was quite different in your desire to be honest. And as kind of raw and you know, outspoken as you are like your first Edinburgh show was about losing your virginity, like kind of show about, like, kind of, you know, losing your virginity of what some would consider to be an older age, and you kind of put it all out there. Was comedy, the space that allowed you to be that person?

Evelyn Mok  
It's interesting that because I think I have always had this kind of why I've always asked why. And I think because my parents were this way of, I think it's a very Chinese way, actually, kind of keep your head down and don't really don't ask questions just like, just keep going and mind your own business. I somehow became the opposite. I guess maybe because I grew up in Sweden, and it was all it was quite encouraged to, to talk about your feelings. I think I've always been very curious. And I've always wondered why our family worked so differently towards what I was seeing on TV, and towards what I was seeing, maybe in Swedish society. And now that I reflect back upon it, I think it's also because I'm an immigrant kid, and there's a lot of intergenerational trauma that gets passed down to you without you understanding. Yeah. And so I feel like I've spent my adulthood just trying to unpack everything, and understand why and understand why I'm like this, and how that affected me. But I do think that comedy was definitely a place where I felt that I could explore all of that, even though there's a fine line between using the stages therapy, to actually comedy.

Jimi Famurewa  
I really want to get on to your phrase, and you've already kind of shared a few phrases in different languages. And so you've got perhaps more options than most of what your phrase that evokes home can be. But what have you gone for? I'm really fascinated to know,

Evelyn Mok  
I would say it's the classic Chinese or Asian phrase of ai yah. Because it can be used in so many different ways.

Jimi Famurewa  
For people who don't really know that or aren't familiar with it. How would you describe it? Its deployment? Its meaning? Use it in a sentence.

Evelyn Mok  
It can stand alone, just ai yah. I would say that it's used as an exacerbation. Is that what it's called? But it can be used in so many ways where it can be expressed frustration, where it's like, ai yah! If you like, if some, if your kid has done something, and you're like, ugh, then you can definitely just say that, or it can be used as like, ah, ai yah. Why did that happen? Oh, no. Now I have to go and replan the whole event. Or something like that?

Jimi Famurewa  
It's a really good point, though. That yeah, kind of not quite swearing. But yeah, expressing exasperation or frustration or annoyance? Yes. It can weirdly be like make you sort of like homesick or comforted or kind of can really like you know, when I hear somebody kiss their teeth in like a queue for the bakery as my mom would or kind of, you know, quietly curse someone under their breath. I'm sort of like, get this weird tug of fondness. I'm gonna bring it into my repertoire. These things do kind of cross cultures in a weird way. Like, you know, like teeth kissing and Islamic like Muslim phrases and stuff.

Evelyn Mok  
It's really funny. In Sweden there are a few like Arabic phrases that have entered the Swedish dictionary because it's just been used so much.

Jimi Famurewa  
I want to go to your place. But I want to talk about the UK and you mentioned really falling for Britain and maybe this is our Wetherspoons moment. I mean, in all seriousness, what was it that really attracted you to the UK? Was it work? Was it the comedy scene? Was it something in the sense of humour? Was it a mix of all of those?

Evelyn Mok  
It was predominantly comedy. I think I wanted to do comedy in English. If I'm honest, it's very strange, because you are much closer to us than the States. But the shows that we got here, maybe I wasn't paying attention, but the shows that we got from the UK were Neighbours and Home Far Away?

Jimi Famurewa  
Home and Away they're both Australian!

Evelyn Mok  
So I didn't know much about the UK at all. So I have learned a lot. I've learned that you guys love the pub.

Jimi Famurewa  
We really do. Have you taken on that love? Or do you still find that little bit strange? Okay. Unless it's a Wetherspoons Come on. We've got quickly do the Wetherspoons thing.

Evelyn Mok  
Okay, yeah, I will say I love Wetherspoons I fell in love with Wetherspoons when I discovered steak club. Do you know steak club? When I first moved to UK? I was in Streatham. We had a local Wetherspoons. I discovered steak club. Because when I moved over, I was a student at the University of Roehampton, but I didn't have a lot of money. And steak club was offering a steak for like £8.99 at that time.

Jimi Famurewa  
A steak should not be £8.99. We'll just breeze past that.

Evelyn Mok  
Yes, it's a bit tough, but it's still a steak. Basically, I went to steak club every week for like six weeks. And I even took my parents when they came visiting. And I kid you not Jimi, they loved it so much that my dad tried to steal one of the menus from like, Wetherspoons I think, specifically, maybe the steak club menu, and he tried to put it in my mom's purse. So he could take it back and show his friends how cheap it was because he did not like he's like, they're not gonna believe me. And my mom just like she refused to put a menu into her bag, which rightly so. So I went to steak club for like six weeks. And then at the end of the six weeks, I got pain in my toe. I thought I'd broken it. And I went to the doctor. And he was like, yeah, that's not a broken toe. That's, that's gout. You've got gout. And he's like, Have you been drinking a lot recently? And I don't drink. He's like, Well, have you been eating like a lot of shellfish? Well, what about red meat? And like, Oh, yeah. I have been eating a lot of red meat recently. Because it's cheap. And that's how I got gout.

Jimi Famurewa  
It's also known as king's disease isn't it but I think you know, sort of very modest king of like a perhaps sort of like ruined state that is only spending £8.99 a time. That is a cautionary tale for all of us.

Evelyn Mok  
Yes king of the Spoons.

Jimi Famurewa  
I want to get on to your choice of place and I am guessing is not going to be Streatham Wetherspoons.

Evelyn Mok  
No, it's going to be the Tottenham IKEA.

Jimi Famurewa  
Oh, amazing. This is brilliant.

Evelyn Mok  
I was gonna say Hong Kong first but then I realised IKEA is one of my favourite places. And it's probably because I've lived in London so long, but every time I go to Ikea, I just feel at home. I'm revealing so much like my family will go to Ikea just to eat.

Jimi Famurewa  
No shame in it. Honestly, genuinely, really interesting to hear from you that that speaks to your sense of being with your family and missing Swedish culture. And yeah, so talk me through it. Yeah. So you will go there to just to eat sometimes

Evelyn Mok  
I will say I go there and I will go to the Swedish market. And I'll get my special like fish roe paste. I put it on crisp bread which I also get there, and eggs and then you put it on top of the eggs and that's as clashes Swedish meal. And I'll go around and I'll probably get like a few cinnamon buns and some Swedish candy. But then also if I go into the store, I will take my time and I'll also not wear my headphones I usually just have headphones and I will listen to British people try to pronounce the Swedish names of the thing that they're buying and then I'll just secretly in my head pronounce it correctly. And then snicker to myself. It feels so much more superior. And it's not my best quality but I enjoy doing it.

Jimi Famurewa  
Absolutely fair enough, because obviously, of course, there's the culture of it really. And I think we probably not being from that environment or if you've not got experience of living in Sweden, you probably think of it as being maybe a bit of a theme park. Yeah, that's really, really interesting and fascinating to hear that, that something in that what is essentially a retail environment does have this deeper emotional meaning and connection. I quite often ask the interviewee if there is something in their culture that has had a really marked positive impact on British culture on global culture more generally. And I wonder what it is for you because obviously you could be can answer in any number of ways. Was there anything that that immediately springs to mind in terms of something that has really had an impact whether it's food or you know, retail, or music or the arts or anything like that? It's quite

Evelyn Mok  
interesting that because I feel like just in Britain, south, south Asian culture is very big. I do feel it's strange because I have South Asian culture in my family. So I do have like a point of pride with people enjoying South Asian food or, you know, sometimes I hear certain things or words that British people sometimes use in British culture, like the influence of just curry. When I was a kid, it definitely was the Indian part because my mom was so heavily influential and we-

Jimi Famurewa  
it was a pride for her right?

Evelyn Mok  
It was yeah, she she's really proud of being Indian. She will brag about how things are made in India even though I'm like I'm sure that was made in Egypt like BC, but okay, We ate like chipati and sugar. And you know, we'd watch Bollywood films and know all of the songs and stuff. And then I think Swedishness probably took over when you became a teenager, because you wanted to fit in and you wanted to be part of of everybody else and be like everybody else. But I never, if I'm honest, I never probably felt like I fit into Swedish culture all the way. And probably why I became such an anglophile because that was what it was on TV, predominately American culture, and then the move to England, but I think in my later days, now, as an adult, I've embraced my Chineseness much more talking with a lot of other people from the diaspora in the UK. And then exploring that, and I think, in understanding myself, I've had to kind of face the part of me that because before my Chineseness was kind of imbued in shame, almost. Because as you say, you try to when you grow up, you get mocked for it, and then you try to hide that part of you. Yeah, completely. And now it's like, no, let's, let's look at this. Let's see, it was never you. It was something that was put upon you. And so let's try to shut that away and embrace it. And talk about it and connect, connect over it with other people. And so I think, nowadays, it's definitely the Asian part of me that's, that's very predominant, but it's so interesting, that question because I realise how it's just as you say, it's come in different shifts of your of your life and different periods.

There's gonna be a lot of other people that can relate. And I think that the other red herring is this idea that you do have to choose and you have to kind of pick a side and that was kind of the trap that maybe we fell into as teenagers or some people do because you're like, oh, no, I kind of can't but like, it is in flux. It is this shifting thing. And that's absolutely fine, isn't it? And I'm really looking forward is it right that you're writing your life story in a kind of way? You're kind of turning it into a show, starting with the trek across continents?

It's gonna be like a slash a cross between like The Last Samurai and, and the Nutty Professor where I play all the parts, like Eddie Murphy, but it's gonna be like a serious drama. But I play all the parts.

Jimi Famurewa  
I would watch that would absolutely. Evelyn Mok. Thank you so much. I've loved this so much. Thank you for sharing so much of your amazing story with us for doing it with such grace, thoughtfulness, and wit. And for also giving us that cautionary tale about the dangers of the Weatherspoon steak club.

Evelyn Mok  
I think it's an inspiring story rather.

Jimi Famurewa  
Yeah. Whichever way you want to look. Yeah. Thank you, Evelyn. This has been so great. Cheers. I think what really came across for me was was yeah, how she kind of navigates being simultaneously Chinese, Swedish, Indian, and this enormous anglophile who loves Wetherspoons, to perhaps a dangerous degree, as she revealed very memorably. Similarly, she's clearly so proud of Swedish culture. And that is something that she feels real ownership of, and it kind of paved the way to the emotional openness that's been such a huge part of her comic arsenal. And it's just a really, really great advert for being all the different parts of yourself. So that's it for this particular episode of Where's Home Really? with me, Jimi Famurewa. Join me again next time for another deep dive into some unique stories from some very special guests who have their own personal interpretations of what home really means to them. And why not follow Where's Home Really? on your favourite podcast platform. We'd love to hear your thoughts. So pop us a comment or leave a review. From Podimo and Listen, this has been Where's Home Really? hosted by me, Jimi Famurewa we're the producers are Tayo Popoola and Aidan Judd, the executive producers for Podimo are Jake Chudnow and Matt White, and for Listen it's Kellie Redmond.

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